Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:38 am
O.K., I JUST created an account, so I'm not sure I'm doing this right, but we'll see. I have KEPT looking for the 2nd constalation and I cannot find it! And to the one person that posted a link with a map of theirs, it's over 1/2 the way below the 1st one, and uses....2 blue stars, I think. Just though you might want to know! 
(and I have no idea how to post my map)
(and I have no idea how to post my map)
Re: Frustrated here again
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:39 am
theonlysaneone wrote:AySz88 wrote:
Maybe PM the coordinates from http://www.neopets.com/altador/astro.phtml?get_star_data=1 to someone? (if you make sure you don't stretch the page, you might be able to get away with posting it here in broken-up lines and small font, but don't try it if you don't feel like you know what you're doing :p )
Just put it in a PM, because it's too much of a hassle to try and get the spaces out.
besides...we're not supposed to post the star coords on the board
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:41 am
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:41 am
Hey, guys.
I'm new to PPT, but have been lurking since the beginning of the LDP.
Anyway, I was hoping that with all the down time that Neopets has given us, could someone possibly help my find my dreamer constellation? I've been looking at this map so much, stars are blending together. I can also P.M. the coordinates of my map to someone, if they'd like.
Thanks so much in advance!
I'm new to PPT, but have been lurking since the beginning of the LDP.
Anyway, I was hoping that with all the down time that Neopets has given us, could someone possibly help my find my dreamer constellation? I've been looking at this map so much, stars are blending together. I can also P.M. the coordinates of my map to someone, if they'd like.
Thanks so much in advance!
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:45 am
cowsmoo wrote:ok try this one http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/cowsgomoo1929/84f42d3e.jpg
That one works. You just need the Dreamer?
Colleen: I'll try to find your Dreamer too. ^^
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:46 am
Hey, can one of you please try to help me? I'm a newbie on this system (though about a 4-year vet. on neo), and I CANNOT find the 2nd star consalation...is there a general area I should look in?
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:46 am
ColleenMegan wrote:Hey, guys.
I'm new to PPT, but have been lurking since the beginning of the LDP.
Anyway, I was hoping that with all the down time that Neopets has given us, could someone possibly help my find my dreamer constellation? I've been looking at this map so much, stars are blending together. I can also P.M. the coordinates of my map to someone, if they'd like.
Thanks so much in advance!
I sent you a PM. I need your star data.
adamashaman wrote:Hey, can one of you please try to help me? I'm a newbie on this system (though about a 4-year vet. on neo), and I CANNOT find the 2nd star consalation...is there a general area I should look in?
Make sure you've done all the instructions first. Then send me your star data and I'll try to look it up for you.
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:47 am
i found the first one. and we are only on the second one correct?
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:48 am
Message to Forum Moderators:
It will be easier to all of us, if next to the Topic name and number, there is too the name of the last Constallation Found... so we will know if there is any news of the plot without opening the whole thread...
Just my 2 cents, think about it ^_^
I also want to say:
GOOD JOB !!! thanks for all your help.
It will be easier to all of us, if next to the Topic name and number, there is too the name of the last Constallation Found... so we will know if there is any news of the plot without opening the whole thread...
Just my 2 cents, think about it ^_^
I also want to say:
GOOD JOB !!! thanks for all your help.
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:48 am
cowsmoo wrote:i found the first one. and we are only on the second one correct?
Correct. Could you get a bigger picture? This one's rather small. ^^;
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:50 am
Well, the results are in - and, other than the fact that both the Dreamer and the Sleeper gem patterns are stretched length-wise and width-wise, there seems to be no hidden logic to it. It's probably not even right to say they were "stretched" because that would imply some uniform displacement or scaling across a certain direction, but that is not the case. Instead, I'll just call it "deformation".
For example, the ratio between constellation and gem diagram of the distances between the two top stars of Sleeper is dramatically different from the ratio between constellation and gem diagram of the distances between the two base stars. Another example, in the Dreamer, a few of the points overlap almost perfectly between the stars and the gems while others are way off. Deformation between the Dreamer and the Sleeper is also inconsistent, especially in the deformation lengthwise where the Sleeper gem pattern has been deformed dramatically more against its constellation versus the Dreamer gem pattern and its constellation.
What it looks like is someone roughly modeled the gem patterns to reflect the stars but with no real precision or scale and no intention for precision or scale. In conclusion, at this point, how close a constellation will resemble its gem diagram is really a crapshoot. And so, the world may NEVER know whether the proposed Dancer formation is the real thing...or maybe we just give it a week or two and find out the other way.
[Here is a quick reference diagram demonstrating how the overall constellations as a whole were deformed versus their gem pattern counterparts.
Notice that the Dreamer formation was deformed more evenly horizontally and vertically than was the Sleeper formation. It's quite inconsistent.]
For example, the ratio between constellation and gem diagram of the distances between the two top stars of Sleeper is dramatically different from the ratio between constellation and gem diagram of the distances between the two base stars. Another example, in the Dreamer, a few of the points overlap almost perfectly between the stars and the gems while others are way off. Deformation between the Dreamer and the Sleeper is also inconsistent, especially in the deformation lengthwise where the Sleeper gem pattern has been deformed dramatically more against its constellation versus the Dreamer gem pattern and its constellation.
What it looks like is someone roughly modeled the gem patterns to reflect the stars but with no real precision or scale and no intention for precision or scale. In conclusion, at this point, how close a constellation will resemble its gem diagram is really a crapshoot. And so, the world may NEVER know whether the proposed Dancer formation is the real thing...or maybe we just give it a week or two and find out the other way.
[Here is a quick reference diagram demonstrating how the overall constellations as a whole were deformed versus their gem pattern counterparts.
Notice that the Dreamer formation was deformed more evenly horizontally and vertically than was the Sleeper formation. It's quite inconsistent.]
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:51 am
regelus wrote:Message to Forum Moderators:
It will be easier to all of us, if next to the Topic name and number, there is too the name of the last Constallation Found... so we will know if there is any news of the plot without opening the whole thread...
Just my 2 cents, think about it ^_^
I also want to say:
GOOD JOB !!! thanks for all your help.
If a constellation can officially be found, it would be reflected on the first post on the first page of each thread.
Last edited by farside on Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:51 am
My 'star data'? I have the telescope page pulled up, but that's all I have.
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:56 am
adamashaman wrote:My 'star data'? I have the telescope page pulled up, but that's all I have.
The link to your star data is on the front page, I believe. ^^
Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:56 am
kay0913 wrote:Make sure you've done all the instructions first. Then send me your star data and I'll try to look it up for you.
Well, I figured that nice little trick out...but how do I do anything (quickly, hopefully) about 'star data'?