Item Duping

[maruka]

Does anyone have the feeling that TNT may leave many of these items in circulation to lower their prices? I mean, people were constantly complaining to them about how pricey everything was. Well, now the economy has just deflated a fair bit

I'm not sure It's really dangerous ground. On one hand, i hope yes but on the other no for especially for those who delibrately know it's duplicates and using them to cheat others.

If they really want more in circulation, they can put them as prizes for random events, games or for buying their merchandise. I think it will be fairer and more acceptable for the rest of the neopians.

[Kiyone]

Heh, my friend has a FSS now. She snagged a FQD from the tree and traded it for the slingshot =)

[arogance1]

Heh, my friend has a FSS now. She snagged a FQD from the tree and traded it for the slingshot =)

Then expect "your friend" to be frozen within the next few days.

Cheating isn't anything to be proud of really

[Kiyone]

Heh, my friend has a FSS now. She snagged a FQD from the tree and traded it for the slingshot =)

Then expect "your friend" to be frozen within the next few days.

Cheating isn't anything to be proud of really

I doubt she'd get frozen, because she hasn't done anything with it. But thank for the warning ;)

[hynfaeries0]

EC, if you notice the BD chats, no one is talking about duping or frozen accounts anymore. However, I did see one guy talking earlier about how his account and aim had been hacked and ht bd items stolen and not two minutes later the board was gone and the account was iced. So, I cannot tell whether the mods are deleting these boards as fast as they are being written or whether this whole thing is speculation and overactive imaginations. OR whether it was a possibility but the bad guys got thwarted. I do plan on sticking around tonight just because my curiousity has gotten the better of me.

prices are inflated. incase you haven't noticed, but the games are getting harder and harder, and you have to spend more time on them. plus, how is earning nps easier? there are more people on neopets now than back then.

Missing the point here. The topic is about duped items. People DO NOT have the right to duplicate items, or justify the duplication of items, just because prices are inflated.

And, actually, I spend less time on games and make more nps on them than I used to because there are more sponsor games. 15K for a bit more than an hour of time is pretty good, I'd say. And, being the reseller that I have turned into, I make a whole heck of a lot more nps now than I ever dreamed possible.

- i think that the pinkpt battledome chat isn't as flowing (if you know what i mean) as the idb chat.

- i'm sorry if i sound like i was defending the people who duped the items. but in fact, i was saying that it was unfair for all the people (that didn't dupe) to get frozen. i was also saying that people shouldn't be surprised that people would really rare items in very expensive prices.

[Morningstar]

- i'm sorry if i sound like i was defending the people who duped the items. but in fact, i was saying that it was unfair for all the people (that didn't dupe) to get frozen. i was also saying that people shouldn't be surprised that people would really rare items in very expensive prices.

Sorry to have jumped on you. It IS unfair that some people got frozen--those people that did not know that these items were duped. And, unfair that some people lost nps and items and such, thinking that the trades they were making were legit.

Heh, my friend has a FSS now. She snagged a FQD from the tree and traded it for the slingshot =)

Then expect "your friend" to be frozen within the next few days.

Cheating isn't anything to be proud of really

I doubt she'd get frozen, because she hasn't done anything with it. But thank for the warning

According to the BD chat, TNT has frozen people who stashed duped items in their SDB. So, unless your friend has it on the TP asking TNT to delete it and has sent a report in about it, it is very possible that she could be frozen.

By the way, I don't think TNT is going to keep these items in circulation to help the economy. To do so would mean that they are letting the dupers win. They might not take the effort to get rid of every duped omelette, but my guess is that they will attempt to get most everything else--at least the big, expensive stuff.

And, they are in the process of eliminating items. One person on the BD chat stated that several of his map pieces had just disappeared. Others have stated that the duped items that they put on the trading post have been eliminated. It probably just takes time for TNT to go through the process.

[B55B55]

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Now, as to the assertation that things are inflated.....

Of course they are. Neopets, while it is not democratic, has an economy closely resembling a democratic one. Each item, like it or not, is priced according to supply, demand, and relative value. The problem is not with the items, or the users. (Although, some items are falsely inflated, which also happens in real-world economies) The problem is with the neopoints themselves.

Each item holds a value in the currency of Neopets (neopoints). Wether it be great or small, that item can be traded for currency, which means that neopoints have a value of their own. Few neopoints in the economy mean that each neopoint is highly valuable, since there aren't many shared among the general population. Thus, a rare item, (say, a paint brush) may be sold for only 10,000 neopoints, and the person would consider themselves to have gotten a good deal of money for it.

However, the Neopets system is intrinsically flawed. As more games are created, and more users join, the total amount of neopoints in the system increases. Therefore, the value of each individual neopoint goes down. Since there are more neopoints to go around, the cheap paint brushes are either purchased, or shop owners raise their prices. The ratio of neopoint to paint brush changes, since there is only a fixed amount of paint brushes available, and the supply is being decreased faster than it is being increased.

The major problem is, there is no system to remove neopoints from circulation. If neopoints were being removed, say in the neopian shops, the value of the neopoint would rise again, causing the price of items to drop, since you can now buy more for your neopoint. But at the moment, it is theoretically possible for someone to play the game without ever removing a single neopoint from the system. Since the neopoint is constantly increasing in volume, its value will always drop, while the items, which remain at a relatively fixed volume, will rise in price.

Hope that makes sense.

Now, on topic. Thanks for warning everyone, I hope if it IS just a prank, that those people will be caught and punished. It's just as bad to try to cause panic for your own laughs as it is to abuse a glitch.

I agree with amarise's general assessment of the situation. However i think one of the problems with the discussion of inflation that is rarely addressed is the rate of inflation.

Items, at least paint brushes, and fancy battledome items are inflating at a rate equal to or greater than the rate at which the average player can make NP. This means that someone who is saving up to buy, say, a fairy paint brush, will never be able to afford one, no matter how long they save.

I think what neo needs to do is create more money sinks. For example have more fixed price unlimed quantitiy neopian shops (hidden tower style) or have training schools where players actualy pay in NP. Both of these would create significant money sinks and help re-balance the game.

Back on topic

As for the duped items does anyone know what happened to people who used them? Ie: someone who purchased a paintbrush and painted their pet, thus destroying the evidence of the duped item?

I seriously hope that they unpaint such pets as well as removing ALL duped items from circulation. I'll feel bad for people who lost good np in such a transaction but it woulld be horribly unfair for them to let anyone keep them.

I wouldn't mind them making a lot of the items more common though

[blues-maroo]

I beg to desagree. This would not help the economy in any way, would ruin it.

It's like you couldbuy a Ferrari or a Porsche for one grand. Suddenly, people who fighed for get their expensive cars, discover they worth now zip.
At same time, simploer Hondas, Hyundays and fords are, on a blink of eye, out of market. Who will buy their cars when they can have an european masterpiece on their garage?
I know It will take lots of time untillI face another 2 p battles on the battledome,with all those forgeries around.

Part ofthe fun on Neopets is the hunt, the challenge, the goal setting. Such illicit actions hurt all that.

[Trick]

Just to drag this back on topic is it now safe to buy things? I've been waiting to shop for things for my gallery and codestones for my pet to train - I'd really appreciate knowing if it is now safe for me to do so if anyone knows. I need my source of procrastination back!

[Kiyone]

I heard rumours that while the duping was going on, that if you tried to pain your pet Royal or whatever, it would just 'disappear', and your pet wouldn't be painted.

[Morningstar]

Just to drag this back on topic is it now safe to buy things? I've been waiting to shop for things for my gallery and codestones for my pet to train - I'd really appreciate knowing if it is now safe for me to do so if anyone knows. I need my source of procrastination back!

Trick, I think it is OK to shop for certain things. I have bought a few plushies for my gallery--from people that I know restock in the toy shop. I buy and resell neggs (no, not the cool or ferocious kind--just the plain kind) and have sold a lot yesterday and today. However, I am staying away from codestones and secret map pieces, as I know that those were duped items.

I think if you stay away from those items that were subject to duplication Monday night, you should be OK. In addition to staying away from secret lab map pieces and codestones, it is probably not a good idea to do a trade for hundred dubloon coins, certain MPs, certain PBs, FQDs, and expensive HT/BD items.

[Trick]

Thanks Morningstar, I guess I'll stay away from the codestones and secret lab maps then and stick to buying Fishing items for now I hope it's all cleaned up soon though, I'm missing out on a lot of training time :/

[Zero!]

Blah. I hate my conscious. I put my SoS up for trade for Neopets to delete.
Darn you all making me feel bad for cheating Neopets and making me do the right thing. I want my expensive item. *hissy fit* XP
How long does it take for it to get nuked?

[Morningstar]

Blah. I hate my conscious. I put my SoS up for trade for Neopets to delete.
Darn you all making me feel bad for cheating Neopets and making me do the right thing. I want my expensive item. *hissy fit* XP
How long does it take for it to get nuked?

Way to go, Sunnie!!!!!!

[Zenial]

So is the recent price deflation of main codestones and secret lab map pieces still due to the item duping?