PPT Oekaki Discussion - Dealing with Spam
With the introduction of two brand new oekakis, the Advanced and the Sketch, to the PPT oekaki community it becomes clear that the current pointing system on PPTO devised by Diva_brat will become pretty much unmanageable. This is because opening the new oekakis will mean that we’ll need more admins to keep things in order, and if these admins do not communicate regularly repetitive rule breakers will not be caught.
As an example, imagine if a user broke rule number 4 and admin B deleted their rule-breaking picture, whilst admin A had the mast list containing a record of who had broken what rule. Every time admin B would delete a rule-breaking picture, they’d have to send a record of it to Admin A, which would be repetative and time consuming. Consequently they would likely stop doing this after awhile, and thus each admin would have different copies of who had broken what rules in a week. This means that a user could very easily go over the ‘no more than 3 points in a day’ limit that is currently in place.
Instead i suggest a the following method:- For every rule a person breaks, they receive one point. Three strikes and they’re out, so to speak. All rules would have the same value, and these points would NOT run out over time like points in the current system. The points would also NOT carry over to the other oekakis.
E.g. If you had three points on the advanced oekaki, you would be banned. However you could still draw on the Normal and Sketch oekakis.
A record of these warnings (and general discussion amongst oekaki staff) will be made on this blog in the oekaki section.
E.g. something along the lines of “User _____ has been awarded a point on the Advanced oekaki for breaking rule number ____.”
Alternatively we could go for a ‘Laissez-faire’ approach, and not have a point system at all - If a picture or comment broke the rules, we would simply delete it. If they kept breaking the rules the admin could give them an informal warning, suggesting that they re-read the rules etc. Afterall other oekakis don’t seem to have any sort of ‘warning’ system like we do, and they appear to get along just fine. I could be wrong, though.
And if the user continued to offend, then we would eventually delete them (notifying them first, of course).
I was intending to use this method at the Sketch oekaki. After all it will be for sketching.
Any other suggestions for how to deal with rule breakers would be lovely. Feel free to raise any other comments about the current point system, the current rules, etc.
As you’d expect, i want this sorted out before the Sketch oekaki is opened. I need some second opinions here!
I still think it would be a good idea for Staff to communicate on this blog, though.
I think the point system might work, but [on oekakis like the spam one with the younger members] I could see people rebelling after getting three points and making new accounts. Then the point system doesn’t really do much. I like the ‘Laissez-faire’ approach better, especially for the Sketch Oekaki.
I think it would be best to use the point system with the Original and Advanced Oekakis, and ‘Laissez-faire’ for the Sketch.
Whatever happens, we definitely need a new system of deleting spam/ members who abuse the rules. I could see a huge problem arise if the new Oekakis are opened with the same rules that we have now.
Sorry, on the first sentence, “…[on oekakis like the /spam/ one…,” change “spam” to “sketch.” I don’t know what I was thinking, Haha.
I have been a moderator and then a Global Administrator at the PPT Forums for quite a few years, and I’m very familiar with the strike system. I strongly advise against making the strikes visible to regular members. Frankly, it’s none of their business.
Instead I suggest that Kym create a private usergroup for the Oekaki administrators to use on the PPT Forums. That way, you can all privately discuss disciplinary problems and you will know which problems have been taken care of. It also allows you to receive input on how to handle some problems that arise. You’ll also learn to work more efficiently as a team, and if you wish, distinguish the responsibilities of a Superadmin vs. a regular admin.
In some cases, appropriate punishments are in a grey area and it’s good to get your colleagues’ input on what should be done. While there are some blanket rules that can be rewarded strikes right off the bat with no discussion (such as the use of foul language, etc.) you’ll find that some cases merit only a warning, some might actually deserve two strikes, and so on.
I’ve found that the more organized and businesslike you present your administration as, the more people will respect you. This doesn’t mean that you have to act like robots. It means that when members join, they see you have a clear set of guidelines and aren’t afraid to enforce them, and that rule breaking won’t be brushed aside or tolerated.
I’m by no means suggesting that you run the place like a concentration camp, and you’ll find that having more defined and employable rules won’t do that at all. Once everything settles in to place and you get into the habit of things, it will greatly reduce the amount of stress and drama on the oekaki.
As for managing the three oekakis, I think it would be a good idea to have one SuperAdmin and two Admins on each to start out. If you try to spread too few staff members over too many oekakis, it’s going to be terrifyingly unmanageable. It will be far more efficient if the different “teams” deal with their own oekaki so that they can learn to work together.
I’m also suggesting this because if you become familiar with an environment as an admin you become much more efficient at moderating it. For instance, someone used to modding the Sketch oekaki is very familiar with what’s acceptable there, and someone used to modding the Advanced oekaki will be more suited to pass judgements on any problems that come up there. We do a similar thing on the forums: moderators are assigned two or three boards, and while Global Mods are able to mod anywhere, they focus on a certain group of boards.
I hope my comments weren’t intrusive. They’re just suggestions and I’m not trying to boss anyone around. I hope I’ve been able to help.
-Fidds
Well, all I would really like to say is that I think the “point system” is… well… pointless, the way it is at the present moment. If you made everything one point, what’s the point in even having points? Just do a, like you said, three strikes your out type thing.
Too tired to really think of something else… if I do, I’ll post again. :3
I just have to start off with a strong warning against making a person’s offenses public business. I recently witnessed this happen on another site, and the user community went INSANE. Fiddely seems to have proposed an excellent suggestion, one that I believe would be much easier than constantly o-mailing each other. It seems like it would be much easier to just pull up the private chat and review who has made what reprimands.
I also agree with her suggestion of a mod system. I believe something along this line was brought up in chat last night, and we started discussing the possible mod system.
One superadmin and two regular mods seems like just the right amount to run each board, but if you tried to have several mods working on all three boards, it would make things so chaotic it would be hard to get things done. By assigning each admin their own board, they don’t get confused over different rules, and there aren’t so many admins running around that their opinions turn into a disagreement.
It’s hard to manage standard oekaki now with only two or three mods, but it seems to me that when the advanced and sketch oekaki are completed, all of the users who are packed into standard oekaki will thin out and make things easier to deal with.
Also, hitting again on Jenn’s suggestion of mod applications from last night, this seems like a good way to acquire good, hard-working mods. You now that those who apply are willing to work for it, and then you can go through, check their history on the oekaki, and then make them an admin based on whether or not you find them to be fair and level-headed.
As for the point system, a more laid back approach, as you suggested with the ‘Laissez-faire’ system, seems to work for the sketch oekaki. The standard oekaki may need a system that’s a bit more defined, such as the three point rule. The point system we have going now isn’t really functioning too well to my knowledge, and this seems like a decent approach. I wouldn’t be sure how to go about it on the advanced oekaki, but it seems to me if the users are there, then they should be up to most things.
I am really talking myself into a mush, I just woke up. I suppose I’ll leave off before I confuse myself any more.
Honestly, I think that the point system works, and a general all-staff-accessible way of recording record breaking is the best way to go about that. Dealing with spam is a touchy subject, you don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but it’s becoming a huge problem.
I think we should use the second methed for the regular and sketch oekakis.For the advanced I think we should have the point system.I chose this as the metheds because,in the sketch oekaki most of the users will likely be very new.In the reg. oekaki some people might decide to go /right/ after they have finished getting comfertable with the tools and have done a //few// practice pictures.In the adv. oekaki a ///lot/// of the users are experienced oekakiers and know the rules by heart.They also,mostlikely,know the coniquences.
Inexperienced and half/half users mostlikely are still getting to know the rules,there for maybe be a little more on the rule breaking side…So they should be warned and have there picture deleted.I allso think that if,lets say,a user gets banned from the PPTOS.They still should be allowed to view the sketch and draw on PPTO and PPTOA.
If some one draws a picture that took 11 mins. long I think they should be o-mail to give them a choice to:a)work on it more,extendinng the time and picture effort , ////or////,b)have their picture deleted.That would help keep spam down…I hope.(PS:Before the picture is deleted the user has to o-mail back saying they pick deletion.)If they do not respond within 7 days.*Delete*.
PSS:I will forever be a harable speller
I think that the laissez-faire approach would work best. The point system is working currently under an “on the circumstances” regime, and I surmise that the 3-point system would work the same. I also think that rules should be enforced based on circumstances.
The laissez-faire system goes awry mainly under corrupt or stubborn leaders, which we do not have. So….
Unfortunately, spam is, as cutepinkkitties said, a touchy subject because what is a masterpiece to one is spam to others. As always, good luck.
uuhhh yeah make it private and “you are awarded a point” sounds like a good thing to me than a bad thing (Haha, I know, I’m so extremely very funny right)
Putting that aside, I think we shouldn’t really be discussing about spam? I mean, the sketch oekaki normal advanced seems like a good idea and we should see how it works before we go jump off a cliff screaming “UGH UGH OH NO OH NO MORE SPAM GOD.” I guess I’ve learned to become patient, so as far as I’m concerned we already have a solution that just hasn’t come into action yet.
And for Superadmins/admins? I actually suggest one super admin and one admin for each. I mean, If you think about it, if you make three then it’ll be like getting 6-7 more admins, and honestly it’s hard to get that many good, responsible people, and I think the advanced oekaki wouldn’t start out with enough people to have that many admins. It’s like.. I don’t know, advanced people are probably less likely to be “U SPAM’D” at, and honestly I find that they draw less, so it will go slowly in the beginning.
And also I think the admins should have admin power (not necessarily Superadmin) in all the oekakis but really focus on their “own” oekaki. I mean, if we separate it too much we’ll all get sucked up in our “own” oekaki and have a more disconnected feeling. Or a fugue between the admins or something. I don’t know XD;; But yeah one “assigned” place for each.
I suggest using these categories for choosing admins, though (you don’t have to use them, but I think they’re pretty basic, and obviously Superadmins will have a stronger point in these categories).
It’s really long, so if you DON’T WANT TO argue against any of them or DON’T UNDERSTAND you can JUST READ THE FIRST SENTENCE. (Wow, I can’t believe I typed this up in like 3 minutes ~_~)
1) Someone who goes online daily and participates in all overall aspects of oekaki. –This is pretty obvious. I’ve seen plenty of great artists and clearheaded people, but they don’t come on that much, never comment, and only drop in to draw a picture once a month if we’re lucky.
2) Someone who has a good history without the so-called “drama,” and gets along with everyone. I’m thinking in this year, 2007, if anyone has put an “I’M LEAVING THIS OEKAKI” picture or gotten very involved in a drama (adding a random comment that doesn’t create “i h4te u” doesn’t count) shouldn’t become an admin. I find that even though they might seem alright now, it’s just this gut feeling that they’ll lose their head sometimes to people that they’re not fond of. And besides, we all want an admin that people are okay with, right? This might be a little touchy, but honestly, I have to say no one here was really a “victim.” It’s just human to be a little unfair to someone you don’t like, even if you don’t think you are doing it.
3) Someone who has good sense of what’s spam and a clear head. Right, I don’t think I need to explain this one. It sort of corresponds to #2, but I’m also thinking people who have stated their opinions without getting into a fight or being obviously flamed are pretty good.
4) Someone that has been here for a reasonable amount of time. I’m thinking a year. This might not seem “fair,” but I wouldn’t want someone that hasn’t been here as long to be an admin because I find they don’t know how “things work around here.” I don’t mean their skills at oekaki or they didn’t read the rules or whatever. I just mean… you see patterns and stuff in behavior? I don’t know. Another point is that they might just disappear somewhere and we have no idea where they went, and being here a while gives sort of an assurance that they’ll stay. They might also have more time to “bond” with the oekaki members.
5) Someone with authority, but knows when to draw a line. What I mean is, someone who can get people to agree and follow them, but not intimidating. Basically, they can switch to very friendly to intimidating, and in between. I don’t know, sometimes, when I talk to admins for a bit, it’s like they’re looking down on me, and it’s definitely not how they talk to other members. (Not in this oekaki, but others) So I guess it contributes to #1 as well.
6) Someone with reasonable artistic talent, but should only be accounted for strongly in the advanced oekaki. Reason being, people can fit 1-5 and not have the greatest artistic talent. Although, if you’re really new at oekaki, you might actually be mistaken for spam or something. I know a lot of amazing and fabulous artists here who have been here for a long time, but they tend to only post once every month if we’re lucky, and only comment on other picture around that time if they ever do. Also, they don’t really stick around long enough for us to really see how they’re like. It’s just like a “Hi! Oh, you’re leaving? Bye!” relationship. And for the advanced oekaki, if you’re not that good, just.. all right, I find it that you “see” art differently and overrate things. I’ve definitely noticed it. Three years ago, I saw everyone as better than me. One to two years ago, I thought some archives were amazing. Now, as I look at them, they’re not that great, actually.
Wow, if you read ALL of that, you have a good attention span. XD;; Yeah, and I tried to keep it as “structured” as possible so it’s easier to read. |D;
I think the warning system is useless. Keeping track of points wasts not only the admins time, but rule breakers are harder to keep track of with so many users and so many drawings on the board every day. As you stated, I’ve seen no other oekakis with a points or warning system. Deletion seems to get the point across clearly. However, considering the amount of drama people create when their pictures are repeatedly deleted, it seems that anything we do would result in issues. I vote for the deletion system (if that counts for anything, lol), which I’m sure would cut back spam considerably. Anyway. That’s my two cents.
Well, I for one, agree with a lot of the things said. Mainly, I think that if there is going to be three different oekakis, that obviously means theres three different levels- not only in sophistication of the drawings, but in the tightness of the rules. As someone mentioned above, having a Laissez-Faire approach seems to work best in the Sketch oekaki, simply because that is going to be spammed to high hell and back- I’m not sure what the standards for that are going to be, though….
I’m not sure if the point system really works or not, though. When I first started drawing at PPT, the system scared me a little into trying to comply muchly with them, and trying to keep every image of mine clean and worth the effort I put into it. I have always strived to keep any of my images from violating the point system, and I would hope that others feel the same.
However, it seems like sometimes it doesn’t quite get through to the newest members why there stuff is being deleted or taken off or anything. Its like, they haven’t even bothered to look. And I’m sure if you kick them off the site, they’ll make a new account and spam with that as well.
But yeah… what Fiddely said about making the mod thing public- yeah, thats a bad idea. Letting people in on mod stuff… sometimes its just not worth it. A private board on the forum… or what we used to do at my old oekaki was use IRC and have a special chat on a channel in there, no one else knew about it.
But that’s just me, and I’m fairly new here (and kind of tipsy), so I don’t know how much my opinion is valid
The warning system seems rather time consuming and hard to keep track of. Keep it nice and easy… you dont want admins to have to be online for 3 hours every day just keeping the point system strait. The “lots of french” system seems to me a better idea. (Sorry, dont feel like spelling french right now. ^-^) And a big thumbs down on the making offences public thing. The last thing this oekaki needs is a big fat excuse to start drama.
Kind of unrelated question- any idea when the new boards will open?
Wow. tl;dr. (I read the first post, but not the responses.)
Do you mean that if we got 3 points total in our time over that specific oekaki board we would be banned forever? Seriously, thats a little too harsh. A lot of rules are really easily broken.
What we seem to have now (or according to the rules we are supposed to) is a point system that if you get 3 points in a day or 6 in a week you get banned. That makes more sense because the points get reset after a day and you have 2 points to lose the next day, or it resets after a week and you can lose 5 in that week.
Of course it seems stupid too because someone could break 2 points in a day, or 5 in a week and not get banned. They’d still be able to break the rules and it wouldn’t be fair.
I vote for some new rules system.
Tried not to make it too droned out.
I definitely think spam policies should be strict; not cruel though, just strict. I say this because there is a difference between “spam” and “effort.” (sorry, I liked your whole person A and B thing so I will use it to haha :D) If person A was maybe 9 years old, and had never drawn on the computer before, they should not feel pressured to draw brilliant, because they know if they don’t, they will get kicked off eventually. Now person B, is of around the same age, but puts no effrot into pictures, and is jsut on for the reason of maybe their friend suggested it? I dont know…:P
I think we all can tell if a person puts in effort or not. Therefore, your “three strikes your out” policy is a good idea. But, maybe if the person is like a person A, but no matter what they can’t seem to get a decent picture out and it looks like spam, I would be a little leniant with them
I hope I can help! This oekaki means a lot to me, and I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way.
-Aryll
I think the point system is pointless as well. It’s unecessary. If someone posts a picture that needs to be deleted, just delete it. If they get mad about it, too bad for them. They can find a different oekaki that allows spam. I think you’re making things a little bit more complicated than they have to be. It’s just an oekaki.
oh I didn’t say hardly anything about the point system at all
i think it’s useless. ditto stray
really we just should wait for the two boards new admins
it’s just like, I dunno, feels like common sense, and nothing is really happening, so when it actually happens and if it doesn’t work we can start discussing later
Hmm, I partially agree with Stray. The point system /is/ a bit silly, because not only can you not see how many points you have (which means you may be deleted quickly without knowledge as to what you’ve done, although I suppose most people would remember receiving a point), it also seems a bit odd that EVERYTHING on the list costs one point, which is a bit… strange, considering I would personally consider spamming of higher significance and caliber than starting a picture without finishing a previous one (just as an example), which kind of makes the system a bit pointless as breaking a rule that may in retrospect be more important than another, results in the same amount of points.
I must say though, that I don’t really agree with the Laissez-faire approach either. Well, I /do/, but I could easily see it being the cause of several fiascos, what with this oekaki’s history of drama. I mean, theoretically it should be fine, but (as I believe has been previously said) one person’s spam may be a hard-worked on picture to someone else, and as much as I realise that it would not be deleted without good reason, and the deleter would obviously judge whether it’s spam or not to the best of their ability and not just go ‘Eugh, me no likey. DELETE!’ it’s still more than likely to upset someone. Unless of course, they were to send some warning to the artist beforehand, but that would be beside the point aswell and very time-consuming for the admin.
…I’ve just noticed that this comment is of no help whatsoever, and has more typo’s than useful comments, but I thought I’d send it anyway. So, erm, feel free to ignore this- it’s just my opinion ^^;
I’m.. not really sure.. I didn’t even know we were having problems with the point system in the first place. =D But I think we’d be all right even without the point system. You could just warn the users like you said, when they’ve broken the rules a noticable amount of times. and then ban them if they keep doing so. It seems to be what the other oekakies are doing, and it’s not such a bad idea. hmmr.
Or maybe we could report rule-breakers, like neopets does. But maybe that’ll just be even more confusing for the admin with 20 people reporting the same picture. =D; it’s just a thought.
Just want to quickly say that I am in the process of digesting the comments. Once i’m done I’ll give you my view.
And, i can’t remember who said it now, but yes, having the point system is most likely overcomplicating things. However we’ve had it for so long that it may be difficult to change to a more simpler method.
Word of warning: i am unbelievably indecisive, so I may take my time in deciding what option is best. In the mean time i plan on opening staff applications. But first i need to throw together some sort of application form type thinger. Or at least some guidelines. ^^;
slightly random
but what’s the link to the sketch oekaki? it’s not anywhere and people found it already and it’s mentioned on the front page
i get bothered when i don’t know these things ;c
I presume you’re refering to where i mentionned it in the rules..?
I’ll omail you the link if you want, but it’s not officially open yet.
so when will the two new oekakis open?
And, another question- was it ever diceded in stone what auditions will be like for the advanced oekaki?
There was a problem with the warning system?
Well, for the advanced oekaki, the ‘three strikes’ thing could work well. And the “laissez-faire” thing would work well in the sketch.. But about the normal oekaki? I dunno.
Off topic, but I was wondering the same thing as Luckduck.
Was anything decided in the end? I remember reading it but I can’t remember what the result was xD
I’ll have to double check the other topic, but if i remember correctly there will be 1 or 2 tryouts, and users will be allowed to try out once a month. Possibly on the 1st of every month or something along those lines. On the second tryout at least two admins will have to agree in order for them ot be accepted into the oekaki.
I’m personally leaning towards having two tryouts, because having just one might not be enough to show their skills. E.g. the user could draw one picture in solids and one in watercolours. In the tryouts the users would have to show as much of their artistic flare and talent as possible.
All users, however, will be allowed to comment on the advanced oekaki. We don’t want this oekaki to be insanely hard to get into or anything, but we do want to set a certain standard of art skills.
Users would be accepted by skill, and just because a user is friendds with an admin, doesn’t mean that they will automatically be accepted etc.
Off topic, but replying to Gfaerie’s last post:
I think that tryouts would be best on any day, if only for the fact that it’s sometimes difficult to get on the computer on one specific day. Or… for like a week or two or something. Just not one day. 8D
yes not one day or like a span of 3 days or whatever, just every 30 days..
sorry the whole animation rights thing as well, that’s all kind of lame in my opinion
sometimes you guys just GIVE animation rights to someone without even them applying on the day so other members are like, wtf
so yeah
(I know that you give everyone animation rights. I’m just saying something like a “specific day” just doesn’t work out)
Hmm, you bring up a good point KuroOkami. I might extend the period to a wekk or something. Maybe the first 7 days in a month?
I think it would be better if we had a ‘window’ for applying simply because it might get difficult to track down who drew what tryout when. But i guess we could try ‘every 30 days’ to start with, and then shorten it after that if there are issues. Hmm. Maybe I’ll confir with Kym and BA about this.
Btw animation access rights are available to everyone now.
However Upload rights are now gonna b given out in the same ‘lame’ way, unless someone suggests a better alternative. ^^;
about the rights- it talked about a certain day evey month, but never says what that day is.
And about tryouts- will there be common ref pictures, or is it a free for all?
oh, i forgot to includethis in the last post (sorry): will there be some type of ruberic, similar to those in English class? I think that might be a good idea, so theres no reason for the drama queens to yell foul play.
Common ref pictures? Well I think people should be able to draw what they like on tryouts. Though something like one watercolour, one solids, one human (realistic or anime etc) and one canine (or other animal) would be useful as guidelines…
I thought about using some exemplar pictures for admins to use in order to judge what pictures are ’spam’, and to judge what pictures are ‘archive worthy etc, along with exempler pictures for whether to accept people into the advanced oekaki. However it would be rather unfair to use the pictures of active members as examples of what is and what isn’t acceptable as it may cause offense… So i might have to use some of my own, older pictures as examples. Either that or scan through the oekaki in order to find appropriate pictures. (or steal them from SSO xD )
And i’m not sure what you mean by the ‘ruberic’ thing. Would you reiterate that please, if possible? ^^; -stabs her own limited vocabulary-
I think you already get what I mean, actualy… the ruberic is the same general idea as the exampler pictures, only in a different form. And those exampler pictures would work just as well. What I was really getting at is, whatever standards you use as guidelines to judge, I think you should make them public. That way, if somebody doesnt get in theres no intrigue and no reason to call foul.
Hmm. I can your point about wanting to let people draw what they like… but the reason I suggested ref pics was so the judging would be easier, more comparable. To level the playing field a bit so its easy to see why this person got in, and that one didnt. The whole “one watercolour, one solids, one human (realistic or anime etc) and one canine (or other animal)” confuses me.. do you mean there would have to be four seperate tryout pictures? But actualy, those are a lot like what I was thinking of anyway; that there be several ref pics and people could pick and choose.
I do have one more question about this…how does the rule change affect safety saves? If it doesn’t, I reccomend that it would. BA made a comment on the front page recently about 3 minute safety saves and their utter uselessness. Could there be a 24 hour window on safety saves? Or at least some kind of time limit for people to get back to work on them. As it stands there are drawings worked on for 10 minutes, uploaded as safety saves, and then left to sit on the board for weeks. I think also in order to safety save the minimum amount of time to be spent on a picture should also have standing. If you don’t have 15 minutes to sit down and draw a picture then you have no business starting it. Sounds kind of harsh but it’s really starting to get on my nerves, and unfinished pictures are clogging the board when so many other artists put in the work to finish their image in one go. >_
I personally thought it was nice to give all users animation rights.
It sure made drawing a lot easier for me, and I’m sure to others.
About the Upload rights: Thats something that really shouldn’t be given to all users…especially if they’re spammers. It would, however, make sense to have a consistant date (once every month?) that it happens, so people can prepare for it and such.it’s a much bigger responsibility than animation, because you have to trust that the person DID draw that picture.
I just thought I would say that I partially agree with Aryll… I don’t think that upload rights should be given to non-admins. I know you’re only giving them to trustworthy people on certain days etc, but I still think uploading should be left to the admins. It’s less likely that the rights are abused that way :/
But I don’t see anything wrong with everyone having animation rights
I mean, I always thought it was pretty fair that you had to apply for them (because it meant that it would usually go to hard-working members who would appreciate them), but it was always kind of akward if you didn’t have them and you needed them for a safety save or whatever. Not that that really matters at the moment though, seeing as how it’s already been done 
Just thought I would say, as some people didn’t think it was a good idea :/
As another thing, I literally just noticed.. The link says staff blog, but a while ago it just said to post your opinions here.. Should I not have posted this, as I’m not a member of staff? If so, then I’m sorry D:
sorry I meant every 30 days as in, all 30 days of the month, i wasn’t really thinking when i was writing
I’ll just point out some stuff instead of making any because i think i’ll end up having all these weird mistakes haha
yeah I think uploading should only go to admins, really. even if you give it out to “trustworthy” people. Do you notice when newer members create 10 minute pictures that are spam, people go “well there was no reason to spam, blah blah, etc” but when some more.. popular and supposedly “responsible-looking” person does it, no one says anything? well, it’s not major right now, but yeah
And no 24 hour window on safety saves, please. Unless they window is like, a month, which i would imagine is hard to code, just putting a time limit on safety saves is better, and “admin’s judgment.” If a safety save is undertimed, and they draw a new picture, then it’s delete time. It’s just.. I mean, sometimes i just have this. awesome 10 lines that I drew that is impossible to recreate, but I’m not able to draw because of a reason I was not able to control or foresee. it really happens
A rubric (do you guys spell it ruberic? we always use rubric) are the best for judging. it pretty much means a set of “official” guidelines to follow when judging. really wouldn’t suggest making one watercolor, one solid, and one human, or something, because people draw different things.. I guess it would see how good a person is in all categories, but it’s better to say in the rubric “not the same thing in the same position.” like they draw ALL dogs lying down. it’d be okay if it was a dog sitting, a dog beating up another dog, and a dog in a weird perspective. or something. And not something that is easy to recreate either by someone else, even if it looks really cool. Like, um.. sorry but some of the archives are really cool looking and all, but they just aren’t. um, advanced, lol, please don’t go and stab me in the stomach for it (and I mean the recent ones)
that was long once again, probably a million mistakes, but I don’t have the enthusiasm to fix up this 5-minute blurt-out
I’m gonna try to be short and simple. =]
I think we should just do away with the point system altogether and go with the second option for rule-breakers. It’s much easier and more efficient than trying to keep records with points and everything.
But the introduction of the Sketch oekaki will be fabulous because then there will be a place for people, say in an art block, to just sketch away to get out of it! (course there’s still probably going to be the whole ‘no more than 2 pictures in a row’ deal amirite? lol) PPTO has come a long ways since I first joined it almost a year and a half ago!!! =D
Jenn:- If you’re refering to the two most recent archives i completely agree with you. However I wasn’t the one who archived them.
And yes i just want to say that i’m leaning towards completely scrapping the point system. It causes too much confusion and takes too much effort.
Laissez faire it is. =3
And upload rights will only be given out to admins to make things easier. I agree that having only ‘responsible’ people with upload rights will cause problems.
I vote we do away with the point system. It’s confusing, and the only time I have ever seen something similar is on a roleplaying forum I go to where you have to be advanced and such. On here, due to the large amount of people it would be near impossible to manage.
Also - I wondered if Admins did anything to clean dead accounts out of the member list. If not, clearing accounts that have been inactive for three months without notifying an admin previously can most likely be deleted.